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	<title>Comments on: Enoch Was Wrong: the attempted rehabilitation of a racist</title>
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		<title>By: Dorian Lynskey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorian Lynskey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll leave you with the last word because I&#039;m closing the comments on this thread. I have to approve each one manually and, fun though this, is I don&#039;t have time to keep going back and forth with the same commenter about the same subject for yet another week. Obviously we&#039;re poles apart but I hope you feel you&#039;ve made your point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with the last word because I&#8217;m closing the comments on this thread. I have to approve each one manually and, fun though this, is I don&#8217;t have time to keep going back and forth with the same commenter about the same subject for yet another week. Obviously we&#8217;re poles apart but I hope you feel you&#8217;ve made your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other thing I always remember from that period is the hatred the local whites had towards the Tarquins and Cressidas of the &quot;Anti Nazi League&quot; and the Socialist &quot;Workers&quot; Party who came down on day trips from Hampstead to hand out their newspapers,patronise the locals and cry &quot;waaaycist&quot; when they made some polite disagreement about the effects of immigration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other thing I always remember from that period is the hatred the local whites had towards the Tarquins and Cressidas of the &#8220;Anti Nazi League&#8221; and the Socialist &#8220;Workers&#8221; Party who came down on day trips from Hampstead to hand out their newspapers,patronise the locals and cry &#8220;waaaycist&#8221; when they made some polite disagreement about the effects of immigration.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[West seems to have done some homework on the social history of the period. I have the advantage over both of you as (a) I was around at the time and (b) living right beside Brixton, where many of my relatives lived. I can only concur with what he implied. From personal experience I agree that the surge in support for the NF and other extremist groups in the seventies had little to do with Enoch&#039;s peroration (a lot of which went over the heads of many locals anyway)
and far more to with the extraordinarily unpleasant and anti-social behaviour of Afro-Carribean yoof in the area, especially the vicious (and frequently fatal) muggings of elderly whites.

I would thouroughly rec &quot;The Likes Of Us: A Portrait of the White Working Class&quot; by Michael Collins, who went to school a couple of miles up the road at the Elephant a few yrs before me. He made the point that for the Polly Toynbees and Gaurdianistas of this world, blacks are an abstraction: they&#039;re there to be patronised and pitied and emoted over and told that they are the helpless victims of societal &quot;institutional racism&quot; -  which somehow never seemed to stop the Jews or Sikhs or French Hugeneots or Irish or East African Asians moving up the social scale - they don&#039;t have any blacks in Hampstead or Surrey or the Cotswolds or Tuscan villas. 

The native unskilled working class in places like VauxHall Kennington The Elephant etc who had to bear the brunt of mass immigration had a rather less rose tinted view of the Afro-Carribean community. These were people whose familes might have been living there for 2 centuries, who prior to the mid fifties might never have encountered a coloured person, and who saw their kids reduced to minority status within a generation.  As Collins stated, they regarded blacks basically as unwanted competitors for scarce jobs and housing, and as violent and sexually predatory aggressors rather than passive victims in the local streets.

How Collins managed to keep his job in the then prevailing post-McPherson climate of racial hysteria in London, I dunno, especially as he was working for Al-Beeb, peace be upon it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>West seems to have done some homework on the social history of the period. I have the advantage over both of you as (a) I was around at the time and (b) living right beside Brixton, where many of my relatives lived. I can only concur with what he implied. From personal experience I agree that the surge in support for the NF and other extremist groups in the seventies had little to do with Enoch&#8217;s peroration (a lot of which went over the heads of many locals anyway)<br />
and far more to with the extraordinarily unpleasant and anti-social behaviour of Afro-Carribean yoof in the area, especially the vicious (and frequently fatal) muggings of elderly whites.</p>
<p>I would thouroughly rec &#8220;The Likes Of Us: A Portrait of the White Working Class&#8221; by Michael Collins, who went to school a couple of miles up the road at the Elephant a few yrs before me. He made the point that for the Polly Toynbees and Gaurdianistas of this world, blacks are an abstraction: they&#8217;re there to be patronised and pitied and emoted over and told that they are the helpless victims of societal &#8220;institutional racism&#8221; &#8211;  which somehow never seemed to stop the Jews or Sikhs or French Hugeneots or Irish or East African Asians moving up the social scale &#8211; they don&#8217;t have any blacks in Hampstead or Surrey or the Cotswolds or Tuscan villas. </p>
<p>The native unskilled working class in places like VauxHall Kennington The Elephant etc who had to bear the brunt of mass immigration had a rather less rose tinted view of the Afro-Carribean community. These were people whose familes might have been living there for 2 centuries, who prior to the mid fifties might never have encountered a coloured person, and who saw their kids reduced to minority status within a generation.  As Collins stated, they regarded blacks basically as unwanted competitors for scarce jobs and housing, and as violent and sexually predatory aggressors rather than passive victims in the local streets.</p>
<p>How Collins managed to keep his job in the then prevailing post-McPherson climate of racial hysteria in London, I dunno, especially as he was working for Al-Beeb, peace be upon it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorian Lynskey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorian Lynskey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because I didn&#039;t want to believe he was actually defending the NF. Responding to crime by a minority of a certain group by repatriating all of them is almost the dictionary definition of racism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because I didn&#8217;t want to believe he was actually defending the NF. Responding to crime by a minority of a certain group by repatriating all of them is almost the dictionary definition of racism.</p>
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		<title>By: joe woods</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If I’m reading this correctly, West is implying that the rise of the National Front was an act of self-defence against black criminals, &quot;

Er, I don&#039;t think he&#039;s implying it, he&#039;s actually stating it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I’m reading this correctly, West is implying that the rise of the National Front was an act of self-defence against black criminals, &#8221;</p>
<p>Er, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s implying it, he&#8217;s actually stating it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorian Lynskey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorian Lynskey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK then…

&quot;I cannot find any figures...&quot;

They&#039;re hard to come by - racial incidents weren&#039;t recorded or documented in the way they are now - so maybe you should think twice about overriding a wealth of first-person testimony with stats you don&#039;t have.

&quot;...to justify the popular idea that there was some sort of pogrom&quot;

Is this a popular idea? Or is it an absurd overstatement invented by West just so that he can dismiss it? All I said was that Powell&#039;s speech helped to foster a climate of fear and suspicion which, in some cases, manifested itself in physical violence.

&quot;The actual, factually recorded rise in inter-racial violence in England began in the early 1970s with the phenomenon of mugging.&quot;

This may well be true (though figures would be helpful) but mugging is not a racially motivated crime so it&#039;s a dubious comparison.

&quot;People in inner-cities were far more likely to be drawn into political extremism by the experience of street violence against them or friends than by something a politician said in a speech in Birmingham.&quot;

If I&#039;m reading this correctly, West is implying that the rise of the National Front was an act of self-defence against black criminals, which is an alarming claim given that (a) many of the NF&#039;s victims were ordinary families, and (b) the NF&#039;s expressed policy: &quot;
&quot;The National Front advocates a total ban on any further non-White immigration into Britain, and the launching of a phased plan of repatriation for all coloured immigrants.&quot;

So West is digging himself ever deeper into denial and bogus casuality. Not being the strawman kneejerk leftist you seem to think I am, I have no love of muslim extremists or criminals of any race, and I don&#039;t believe in unchecked immigration, but West is just making excuses for a growth in racist violence that began in the late 60s (the NF formed in 1967) and boomed in the late 70s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK then…</p>
<p>&#8220;I cannot find any figures&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re hard to come by &#8211; racial incidents weren&#8217;t recorded or documented in the way they are now &#8211; so maybe you should think twice about overriding a wealth of first-person testimony with stats you don&#8217;t have.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;to justify the popular idea that there was some sort of pogrom&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this a popular idea? Or is it an absurd overstatement invented by West just so that he can dismiss it? All I said was that Powell&#8217;s speech helped to foster a climate of fear and suspicion which, in some cases, manifested itself in physical violence.</p>
<p>&#8220;The actual, factually recorded rise in inter-racial violence in England began in the early 1970s with the phenomenon of mugging.&#8221;</p>
<p>This may well be true (though figures would be helpful) but mugging is not a racially motivated crime so it&#8217;s a dubious comparison.</p>
<p>&#8220;People in inner-cities were far more likely to be drawn into political extremism by the experience of street violence against them or friends than by something a politician said in a speech in Birmingham.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m reading this correctly, West is implying that the rise of the National Front was an act of self-defence against black criminals, which is an alarming claim given that (a) many of the NF&#8217;s victims were ordinary families, and (b) the NF&#8217;s expressed policy: &#8221;<br />
&#8220;The National Front advocates a total ban on any further non-White immigration into Britain, and the launching of a phased plan of repatriation for all coloured immigrants.&#8221;</p>
<p>So West is digging himself ever deeper into denial and bogus casuality. Not being the strawman kneejerk leftist you seem to think I am, I have no love of muslim extremists or criminals of any race, and I don&#8217;t believe in unchecked immigration, but West is just making excuses for a growth in racist violence that began in the late 60s (the NF formed in 1967) and boomed in the late 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: joe woods</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From Ed West&#039;s response...

But the racial violence that followed the April 20 speech has been exaggerated in the public consciousness for political reasons. I may be wrong about that, and I don’t doubt that there were incidents of hatred, nor that many people felt scared, but I cannot find any figures to justify the popular idea that there was some sort of pogrom.

Bear in mind that there was far less violence, either inter-racially or intra-racially, in the period following Powell&#039;s speech than in Britain today. The actual, factually recorded rise in inter-racial violence in England began in the early 1970s with the phenomenon of mugging, but this has been largely suppressed in the national consciousness, despite its role in sparking the iconic anti-racist victory at the Battle of Lewisham. People in inner-cities were far more likely to be drawn into political extremism by the experience of street violence against them or friends than by something a politician said in a speech in Birmingham.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Ed West&#8217;s response&#8230;</p>
<p>But the racial violence that followed the April 20 speech has been exaggerated in the public consciousness for political reasons. I may be wrong about that, and I don’t doubt that there were incidents of hatred, nor that many people felt scared, but I cannot find any figures to justify the popular idea that there was some sort of pogrom.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that there was far less violence, either inter-racially or intra-racially, in the period following Powell&#8217;s speech than in Britain today. The actual, factually recorded rise in inter-racial violence in England began in the early 1970s with the phenomenon of mugging, but this has been largely suppressed in the national consciousness, despite its role in sparking the iconic anti-racist victory at the Battle of Lewisham. People in inner-cities were far more likely to be drawn into political extremism by the experience of street violence against them or friends than by something a politician said in a speech in Birmingham.</p>
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		<title>By: Timo Luks</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timo Luks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://timoluks.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/463/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;luks blog&lt;/a&gt; and commented: 
großartiger text über den &quot;paten&quot; rassistischer paranoia in der britischen Gesellschaft und seine anhaltende wirkung seit den sechziger jahren - und über rassismus, der partout nicht so genannt werden will (dazu dann auch nochmal: http://timoluks.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/protestsong-der-woche-vi-the-specials-racist-friend/)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://timoluks.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/463/" rel="nofollow">luks blog</a> and commented:<br />
großartiger text über den &#8220;paten&#8221; rassistischer paranoia in der britischen Gesellschaft und seine anhaltende wirkung seit den sechziger jahren &#8211; und über rassismus, der partout nicht so genannt werden will (dazu dann auch nochmal: <a href="http://timoluks.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/protestsong-der-woche-vi-the-specials-racist-friend/" rel="nofollow">http://timoluks.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/protestsong-der-woche-vi-the-specials-racist-friend/</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe woods</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you believe that the UK should have an immigration service, or do you believe that the entire popuklation of the planet, should, if they wish to do so, be allowed to settle in this country on a permanant basis?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you believe that the UK should have an immigration service, or do you believe that the entire popuklation of the planet, should, if they wish to do so, be allowed to settle in this country on a permanant basis?</p>
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		<title>By: mofoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mofoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 03:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[google in Charlene downes]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>google in Charlene downes</p>
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